Log from the Debian Installer team meeting of November 11th 2008, 21:00UTC -------------------------------------------------------------------------- People who speak below: otavio : Otavio Salvador fjp : Frans Pop bubulle : Christian Perrier tbm : Martin Michlmayr franklin : Franklin Piat Hours are European Time (UTC +0100): 22:00 * otavio is around 22:04 * bubulle is around (nearly forgot...) 22:04 < bubulle> otavio: I have the errata, the announcement and the website index.wml files ready (but not tested) 22:06 < franklin> Hi (again) 22:06 < otavio> bubulle: did you try to compile the website? 22:06 < bubulle> otavio: not really, sorry 22:06 < otavio> bubulle: want me todo that? 22:06 < bubulle> mostly because I never did that before 22:06 < bubulle> yep 22:07 < otavio> bubulle: or want me to help you to get used to it? 22:07 < bubulle> I can't commit in the website cvs, so you need to commit yourself 22:07 < bubulle> well, as for today, I prefer sending you the files.;:) 22:08 < otavio> bubulle: could you instead send me a diff? It is better for me since I can only apply them and try it 22:12 < bubulle> otavio: sent 22:13 < bubulle> so, I think we found ne real blocker. The testing was even much wider than I would have imagined, thanks to franklin 22:13 < bubulle> otavio: imho, it's OK to release now 22:13 < otavio> bubulle: yes, he had done a wonderful job. 22:14 < otavio> bubulle: we can but we'll not have the fixed tasksel used in this case 22:14 < franklin> I've sent a patch for multiarch CD. it uses a new feature to detect the CPU. we need to have it in RC1 IMHO. 22:14 < otavio> franklin: we can't. This require a full d-i build and it would take us a week more 22:15 < otavio> franklin: it will be in RC2 22:15 < franklin> ack 22:15 < otavio> bubulle: but I believe it won't hurt to get a full CD rebuild with fixed tasksel 22:15 < otavio> bubulle: what do you think? 22:16 < otavio> bubulle: however manual won't be included anyway; since it has not been released 22:17 < bubulle> otavio: well, then wait for the manual, no? I think fjp had hard times figuring out when the release would come so it would be quite rude to him to release without a manual 22:17 < bubulle> but, /me is not skilled enough in the release process to really know if what 4m saying makes sense 22:18 < otavio> bubulle: I'd be OK to wait for it; no problem for me 22:18 * fjp would not even build new CDs, but that's just me. 22:18 < bubulle> well, depends if we judge that the new tasksel is absolutely needed 22:19 < fjp> Current testing is nice, but delaying the release is totally pointless. 22:19 < fjp> It's not. 22:19 < bubulle> but I agree that I don't feel an urgent need for it 22:19 < bubulle> so, maybe it's better to release without rebuilding, then 22:19 < bubulle> after all, the new tasksel will come in RC2? no? 22:19 < fjp> For manual you'd have to wait for it to migrate to testing. 22:20 < bubulle> fjp: does that mean that RC1 has to wait for that or did already D-I releases come before the manual is in testing, in the past? 22:20 < otavio> Yes. It will be in RC2 22:20 < bubulle> (horrible en_FR, I hope you got my point) 22:21 < fjp> Just add a note in announcement/errata that manual included on CDs is outdated and to use the manual on the webservers instead. 22:21 < bubulle> makes sens 22:21 < bubulle> e 22:21 < otavio> If we won't wait manual we can release it now 22:21 < otavio> I agree with it all too 22:21 < franklin> It's worth mentioning in the release announcement that the image are (8) days old, [because they have laready revceived some pre-test...]. so people aren't diapointed when they see that the iamges are (8) days old. 22:21 < bubulle> franklin: I'm not sure it's worth it, indeed 22:21 < fjp> IMO that's just confusing. 22:22 < fjp> And there will ne new weeklies in a few days anyway. 22:22 < otavio> bubulle: mind to update the errata with Frans suggestion? 22:23 < bubulle> fjp: is the manual on CD's "slightly" outdated or quite old? 22:24 < fjp> The webservers will be updated very shortly after I upload: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual 22:24 < fjp> bubulle: it's beta2 22:25 < otavio> it is not quite old, but mosty out to date ... mostly because beta2 -> rc1 it had massive rework ... 22:25 < bubulle>
Outdated Installation Manual on installation media
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22:25 < bubulle> The copy of the Installation Manual that's provided on 22:25 < bubulle> installation media is outdated. Users should use 22:25 < bubulle> the updated copy on the website. 22:27 < otavio> s/provided/included/? 22:27 < bubulle> ack 22:27 < fjp> Guide instead of Manual 22:28 < otavio> We suggest to users to use ... 22:28 < otavio> ? 22:28 * bubulle is nof found of 1st person and "users to use".....blah 22:28 < bubulle> fjp: ack 22:29 < otavio> Users are suggested to use 22:29 < bubulle> ack 22:30 < bubulle> ok, apart from all this, anything we need to discuss beffore we give otavio a GO to release? 22:33 < tbm> not from my side 22:34 < fjp> you have more errata 22:34 < bubulle> what we actually have in the errata: 22:34 < bubulle> Outdated Installation Guide on installation media 22:34 < otavio> bubulle: I'm contacting Sledge in #debian-cd to see if he is available to sign the images and move them to the right place. 22:34 < bubulle> Multiarch CD boots the AMD64 installer directly 22:35 < bubulle> Corrupted display of messages in Dzongkha installs 22:35 < bubulle> Fallback languages not used as planned 22:35 < bubulle> Disk devices may change on reboot 22:35 < bubulle> Buggy routers may cause network problems 22:35 < bubulle> Graphical installer: 22:36 < bubulle> oh, I have duplicates there..:-) 22:36 < bubulle> shoult we keep the "touchpads should work, but support may not be optimal" thing? 22:37 < bubulle> i386: no installation from floppy disk 22:37 < otavio> I have not seen it to happen for a while and directfb has improved a lot on it; it could be droped I think. Frans was one of the affected people by this bug IIRC 22:37 < bubulle> >powerpc: various issues: 22:37 < bubulle> - installation from floppy on OldWorld PowerMac is broken 22:37 < bubulle> - the snd-powermac module is no longer loaded by default 22:37 < bubulle> sparc: fails to recognize ESP/FAS SCSI controller 22:38 < bubulle> s390: unsupported features: 22:38 < bubulle> - support for the DASD DIAG discipline is currently not available 22:38 < bubulle> - support for LCS network interfaces is no longer available 22:38 < bubulle> ....that's it 22:40 < bubulle> otavio: just sent you a 2nd version of the diff for the errata 22:41 < bubulle> if we have nothing else, maybe a plan could be drawn for RC2 now? 22:41 < bubulle> assuming that RC1 is now on rails.... 22:42 < bubulle> Can we list here what we need to fix/change? 22:42 < bubulle> ...and who will do it..:-) 22:42 < otavio> It's fine for me. I'll just ping Sledge about it and commit the errata, website and announce it in debian-devel-announce 22:42 < fjp> [22:34:11] you have more errata 22:43 < otavio> fjp: what you remember that we haven't include on it? 22:43 < fjp> I suggest you work on it a bit. 22:47 < franklin> Firmware: Regarding the hard disk enumeration problem when someone introduces a usb key during in a netboot-install can we document it (i.e "remove the key"). If I provide a patch to skip asking for wireless firmware during netboot, does it have a change to be applied in Lenny... oh and do you like the idea. 23:06 < bubulle> as of now, I've identified: 23:07 < bubulle> - kernel updates 23:07 < bubulle> - instalaltion guide 23:07 < bubulle> - new tasksel 23:07 < otavio> bubulle: tasksel is done 23:07 < bubulle> - dzongkha display thing (hard to track down...I'm not sure I can do it. david-e maybe) 23:07 < otavio> bubulle: we have cdebconf fallback issue (frans has pointed another issue that needs to go together but I don't have the log available) 23:08 < bubulle> the cdebconf issue was investigated by Lunar, IIRC 23:08 < otavio> bubulle: i'd suggest to put it in release announcement wiki page, in a section called blockers; so we keep all it in a single place 23:08 < bubulle> I don't think that the fallback issue is a blocker, indeed 23:08 < otavio> bubulle: but is not yet finished (i may have the time to look at the c code changes that colin has suggested) 23:09 < otavio> bubulle: for the release, sure not but a nice fix to have 23:09 < bubulle> nor is the dzongkha display problem 23:09 < otavio> bubulle: agreed 23:15 < bubulle> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/LennyRC2Prep 23:15 < franklin> I have to leave... levave me message here or by email to let me know if I can help. 23:15 < bubulle> franklin: you can 23:15 < bubulle> now or later in D-I development, we need more people 23:15 < bubulle> for instance, we might need people to track down things and stuff like that 23:16 < bubulle> franklin: thanks anyway *a lot* for all the work you did this week-end 23:16 < otavio> franklin: Indeed. You've done an awesome job. 23:16 < bubulle> otavio: I suggest we fill in the wiki page and stick to it 23:16 < otavio> bubulle: this works for me. 23:16 < franklin> you are welcome. See you later 23:17 * bubulle has to leave also. It's late now and I'm awfully tired. I really hope that the atmosphere will be lighter in the next days. 23:17 < bubulle> otavio: keep up with the good work