--- don_inlab has joined #debian-dpl-moderation [20:33:49] * slef waves at don_armstrong [20:35:41] if you all can paste questions in here (or type them out) as you have them, that'd be great [20:40:50] ack [20:41:17] I can paste... audience ones only, or can we generate? (or cause trouble?) [20:41:34] 20:41 Q: Do the candidates have an explanation for the seeming complete lack of interest for the DPL elections, does it worry them and, if so, what would they do about it if elected? [20:41:53] (sheesh, quick, aren't they?) [20:42:05] was that in msg? [20:42:14] * NeilMcGovern nods [20:42:51] ok, I was feeling really unobservant :) [20:43:11] if you guys have your own questions too, that'd be awesome [20:47:19] Low priority: Do you think it's time for an audio or video DPL debate, or a bits-from-the-DPL podcast? [20:49:07] How much time do you expect to spend as DPL? What is your time availability currently? [20:50:56] What, if anything, are you planning to do about the Debian keyring situation, and how will you go about it? [20:51:05] are questions in my queue [20:51:08] (next question is in channel) [20:51:20] QUESTION: for steve: when you were 2nd in command last [20:51:51] year, what are the things you had wanted to accompish but [20:51:51] weren't able to, and do yuou think that will be different [20:51:51] if you're elected DPL proper? [20:51:51] QUESTION: as dpl, what steps (if any) would you take to [20:52:07] defuse the current dpkg impasse, and others like them? [20:52:07] * NeilMcGovern smiles. [20:52:14] slef: you keep beating me. Do you wanna take the QUESTION: ones? :) [20:52:26] NeilMcGovern: ok... I love Emacs [20:52:43] Shame Emacs doesn't have a good text editor... [20:53:00] slef: though you're splitting them all across many lines... ;) [20:53:02] moray: it's not perfect :) [20:53:13] sbex_-inspired: are you too old/young to be DPL? [20:55:49] QUESTION: some of my actions as DPL did not match my initial enthusiasm, are there specific areas where you would like to be more aggressive than I have been? [20:56:17] heh, moray [20:56:23] (from sam, so relevant) [20:56:34] * NeilMcGovern tries to imagine an aggresive sam [20:57:12] * slef briefly stops paying attention in order to fix that wrapping [20:57:14] * slef returns [20:58:53] QUESTION: What will you do if a core team refuses to communicate with you as the DPL? [21:01:33] QUESTION: has the question about dpkg slipped through? if so assume it restated: QUESTION: as dpl, what steps (if any) would you take to defuse the current dpkg impasse, and others like them? [21:02:54] nah, it's in the queue [21:03:05] this one was a question that was sent beforehand [21:03:12] (only the first question was my own) [21:03:23] don_inlab: ack [21:03:50] awesome [21:04:10] I really didn't prepare any super good questions, so only having to ask one softball question is good [21:04:27] should I be in -candidates or not? [21:06:09] up to you [21:06:17] QUESTION for Raphael: Will uncooperative core teams get as much time to resolve their stuff as Guillem got for dpkg? [21:13:05] QUESTION: for all: how do you see the position of the techctte? Would you consider changing the way the member are appointed (e.g., by a general election, DPL appointing new members, etc)? [21:14:25] paraphrasing: QUESTION: How do you view Debian's relationship to Ubuntu? [21:16:08] How about asking them QUESTION: will you consider paying any parts of debian? Like Debian Weekly News writing, perhaps. [21:17:12] moray: big paraphrase [21:17:19] QUESTION: during the discussion about the "SOC-CTTE" thread one unresolved problem was raised: how do you plan to concince people who refuse to cooperate, when you have to be a strong leader who uses authority while many people will dislike that the same time? [21:17:30] (sent via /msg) [21:17:38] slef: (yes, just that it was a topic of discussion) [21:17:45] s/concince/convince [21:18:12] (and something that might give the candidates a chance to say something different from each other ;) [21:18:12] QUESTION to all: To have any plans / ideas on how to prevent such "disasters" as seen recently happening with dpkg? [21:18:58] question from previous years that might be worthwhile if we want a different topic: QUESTION: If elected, would you run for a second term? [21:20:35] don_armstrong: (might be useful to point out "sam" is "Sam Hocevar, current DPL") [21:22:07] Not-really-a-QUESTION: Will you bludgeon the Debian-JP team into hosting a Debconf at last? [21:22:07] Zugschlu5: maybe something like: It seems Debian is falling behind other biug distros when it comes to acceptance in corporate environments, where people seem to prefer Ubuntu, RH, etc over Debian. Do you view this as a problem, and if so, do you have ideas on how to change it? [21:22:27] slef: Keep that one for the free-for-all, it's not really serious [21:22:39] talking about the last-but-one question, obviously ;) [21:23:15] QUESTION: will adding people ever also be followed by removing no longer active or problematic people? [21:23:59] QUESTION: two periods ago, we tried to spend Debian funds on manpower, which we finally didn't do. Debian has considerable amounts of funds in the bank - do you have any plans to make use of these funds? [21:24:48] are we hitting a break yet? [21:25:46] QUESTION: (for all) What is your view on the new DM system? Do feel Debian Maintainers should be encouraged to become full Debian developers over time? [21:25:54] we will after this question [21:25:58] Question from me: Debian has traditionally been poor at spending the money people have donated to improving the project. If 100k USD was available to you to spend on Debian, how would you spend it? [21:29:40] (for those interested, there is (I think...) about 100k available to spend on debian... :P [21:30:02] paraphrase QUESTION: are the DPL candidates involved somehow with Ubuntu or Canonical? [21:34:11] or other commercial linux org [21:34:41] QUESTION: will you be using devel-announce at all? (Bruce was awesome at that, back in the day...) [21:34:46] debian-announce [21:34:53] if you have time... are questions grouping into themes at all yet? [21:36:07] we've had quite a few related ones [21:36:26] dpkg/dam/keyring/blah [21:36:32] might be good to touch on some non "disfunctional team" issues :) [21:36:53] yeah [21:37:06] moray: this is the _debian_ project [21:37:10] and I've just decided not to finish that joke in a logged channel :) [21:37:51] slef: yes, so we can assume the DPLs won't actually fix these issues, so we might as well ask about other things ;) [21:38:06] QUESTION: "making debian sexy" and "improving visibility" has both been mentioned ... sounds like we need more "non-technical" people in the project.... How do you think we can attract those and what changes would you be willing to push to make it easier and/or more attractive for those kind of people to join and help out? What do you think the obstacles are for those kind of people today? [21:39:54] NeilMcGovern: maybe we could ask what they think about Debian's relationship to that awful SPI thing? ;) [21:41:15] (to keep the DPL-as-external representative them from the Ubuntu etc. questions) [21:41:44] s/them/theme/ [21:41:49] moray: thought of something like that, but I suspect all the answers will be along the lines of "Seems to work ok, not gonna change anything" which will lead to a boring debate :) [21:45:00] do we have a candidate who recognizes the need to do things even if the majority of developers could care less [21:46:04] s/could/couldn't/ [21:46:09] Will you shave your head, get a tattoo, or do something else whacky if we release lenny in the second half of this year? [21:47:26] we should possibly ask something about how raphael will work with his other two "DPL team members" [21:47:26] moray: either works [21:47:31] above question is from aj btw [21:47:38] "In the current US election there are three frontrunners, McCain, Obama and Hillary; who do you think your fellow candidates are most like and why?" :) [21:49:08] QUESTION: debian had it's debian weekly news stopped, as the only how was able to post on -news stopped working on it, and did not accept others taking over (when not using his style). similar on other stuff about -news... how do you think our press team should work.... [21:52:20] QUESTION: What is more important or more needed and why? Getting new people interested in Debian or getting interested people into the project and doing work. [22:01:40] QUESTION: What do you think about our core packages (dpkg, X, apt, aptitude, KDE, openOffice) being maintained by (too) small teams? Do you plan to do things to encourage people to contribute to existing important packages instead of uploading the 30st lightweight http daemon? [22:05:13] Q: Do the candidates have an explanation for the seeming complete lack of interest for the DPL elections, does it worry them and, if [22:10:08] so, what would they do about it if elected? [22:10:11] (that one was sent at about 8:30 UTC, did we miss it? :P) [22:10:22] yeah, I've got it [22:11:19] I've moved it up [22:11:29] thanks :) [22:11:43] My made-up question: should all delegates and organisation psots have a maximum term of office, if possible? [22:15:28] QUESTION: What do you think ofBruce's bid to rejoin OSI? ;) [22:18:25] of the questions not asked so far, which are the most important ones? [22:19:10] (i've got about 12 of them that I see) [22:19:37] QUESTION: What important technical decisions have you done last year? How would you rate them? Both the "process" and the "result" needs a comment. [22:20:12] if we've got a question specifically for Marc, I've got ones for Raphael and Steve [22:20:16] I'm not sure what the queue is, but try to go for ones that might divide the candidates? [22:20:17] either subjects where they're known to disagree (?) or just open-ended ones [22:20:49] one from Marc's platform - why is he unable to participate in flamewars? [22:24:01] how do you replace DSA? [22:28:12] or, Marc: are you too young? (softball :) ) [22:38:42] QUESTION: censorship on lists.d.o is a question which comes up more often since one active DD was banned from lists. how is your opinon there, and how should listmaster handle that? [22:41:25] QUESTION: Several architectures have had structural problems keeping up for the past 6 months or so. Do you think that more could have been done to get them working again? [22:44:47] QUESTION: will your language skills limit your DPLship? [22:48:07] don_inlab: one for the end perhaps: "If you can summarise your position in <= 10 words, what would it be?" [22:48:38] I want to ask a question about Ubuntu, but I'm not sure about what to ask exactly. --> so maybe promote the stuff on that topic [22:50:25] QUESTION: Will you remove DM if the DAM problem is fixed? [23:02:16] are there any big questions that I need to ask still? [23:09:46] nfaict and no loud noises from -discuss yet [23:11:17] no one was really fighting for their questions at any stage [23:11:35] fjp? [23:11:44] QUESTION: How many RC bugs will you fix a week between now and release? [23:12:07] * NeilMcGovern hides :) [23:12:13] QUESTION for those supporting dpl teams and similar kind of groups: do they think it is better to let the dpl form a group during his term, or better make those positions permanent in the constitution [23:14:53] --- NeilMcGovern is now known as Maulkin [23:22:56] --- don_armstrong is now known as dondelelcaro [23:22:57] dondelelcaro: Want the channels killing off then? [23:23:48]